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> <channel><title>Comments on: 6 Reasons You Won&#8217;t Go to Finance Hell if You&#8217;re Getting a Tax Refund This Year</title> <atom:link href="http://www.darwinsfinance.com/tax-refund-estimate/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.darwinsfinance.com/tax-refund-estimate/</link> <description>Financial Evolution: Education, Adaptation, Achievement</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:43:23 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: When Saving Money On Groceries Isn&#8217;t Necessarily A Good Thing &#124; Money Beagle</title><link>http://www.darwinsfinance.com/tax-refund-estimate/#comment-54511</link> <dc:creator>When Saving Money On Groceries Isn&#8217;t Necessarily A Good Thing &#124; Money Beagle</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:05:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.darwinsfinance.com/?p=1978#comment-54511</guid> <description>[...] 6 Reasons You Won&#8217;t Go To Finance Hell If You&#8217;re Getting A Tax Refund This Year &#8211; Darwin&#8217;s Finance [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 6 Reasons You Won&#8217;t Go To Finance Hell If You&#8217;re Getting A Tax Refund This Year &#8211; Darwin&#8217;s Finance [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joshua</title><link>http://www.darwinsfinance.com/tax-refund-estimate/#comment-7838</link> <dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:10:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.darwinsfinance.com/?p=1978#comment-7838</guid> <description>Any good mutual fund will net you, on average, around 12% over the long term. Some years there may be +50% growth and some years there may be losses but as you know, with dollar cost averaging, you stand to gain substantially over the long term.
Tell me, what is to be gained by the IRS possessing your money instead of YOU? Ren if you don&#039;t invest it, wouldn&#039;t it be more practical to have it where you can use it? In your pocket? Forget an irresponsible individual and just think about the practicality that you&#039;re for.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any good mutual fund will net you, on average, around 12% over the long term. Some years there may be +50% growth and some years there may be losses but as you know, with dollar cost averaging, you stand to gain substantially over the long term.</p><p>Tell me, what is to be gained by the IRS possessing your money instead of YOU? Ren if you don&#8217;t invest it, wouldn&#8217;t it be more practical to have it where you can use it? In your pocket? Forget an irresponsible individual and just think about the practicality that you&#8217;re for.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Darwin</title><link>http://www.darwinsfinance.com/tax-refund-estimate/#comment-7832</link> <dc:creator>Darwin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 02:45:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.darwinsfinance.com/?p=1978#comment-7832</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-7830&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Joshua&lt;/a&gt;,  A few things.  First off, there&#039;s a difference between &quot;bad advice&quot; and practical advice.  I could spout out that you should never spend a dime eating out, you should never tip, you should never buy new clothes and ride your bike everywhere.  After all, to do otherwise would be spending money unnecessarily and giving out bad advice, right?
I give out practical advice.
If you&#039;ve been following, you know I&#039;m an avid investor and I like to put money to work.  But I stand by my opinion that the regurgitation of these tax articles citing a thousand dollar refund as a great evil - it&#039;s a load.
12% &quot;since inception&quot; - what does that even mean?  Which market, when do you consider inception?  The more widely cited number is closer to 8% and after an 80% runup from the pivot bottom in March 2009 which 2% GDP growth and 10% unemployment, you actually expect US equities to move 12% per annum from here?  Now that&#039;s bad advice.  Aside from that, you miss the fact that you&#039;re citing a 12% over a period of over a hundred years, which totally excludes near-term volatility (since we&#039;re talking about a 1 year period).  Don&#039;t forget that there was a recent period where US equities lost 50% in that period of time.  So, you take massive volatility with that shot at a high single digit return &quot;on average&quot; which is anything but guaranteed over short periods of time.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href="#comment-7830" rel="nofollow">@Joshua</a>,  A few things.  First off, there&#8217;s a difference between &#8220;bad advice&#8221; and practical advice.  I could spout out that you should never spend a dime eating out, you should never tip, you should never buy new clothes and ride your bike everywhere.  After all, to do otherwise would be spending money unnecessarily and giving out bad advice, right?</p><p>I give out practical advice.</p><p>If you&#8217;ve been following, you know I&#8217;m an avid investor and I like to put money to work.  But I stand by my opinion that the regurgitation of these tax articles citing a thousand dollar refund as a great evil &#8211; it&#8217;s a load.</p><p>12% &#8220;since inception&#8221; &#8211; what does that even mean?  Which market, when do you consider inception?  The more widely cited number is closer to 8% and after an 80% runup from the pivot bottom in March 2009 which 2% GDP growth and 10% unemployment, you actually expect US equities to move 12% per annum from here?  Now that&#8217;s bad advice.  Aside from that, you miss the fact that you&#8217;re citing a 12% over a period of over a hundred years, which totally excludes near-term volatility (since we&#8217;re talking about a 1 year period).  Don&#8217;t forget that there was a recent period where US equities lost 50% in that period of time.  So, you take massive volatility with that shot at a high single digit return &#8220;on average&#8221; which is anything but guaranteed over short periods of time.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joshua</title><link>http://www.darwinsfinance.com/tax-refund-estimate/#comment-7830</link> <dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 02:03:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.darwinsfinance.com/?p=1978#comment-7830</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-7829&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Darwin&lt;/a&gt;,
No basis? Even if we use present day money market funds of 1-2%, that&#039;s still certainly better than 0%. Second, CD&#039;s and money markets aren&#039;t the only investment vehicle you should be investing in. How about your both IRA? The stock market since inception has an average of 12% annual growth rate. How about putting that extra money there? Compound interest is your friend. Also, your basis for giving the government a interest-free loan because of an individual being irresponsible is an irresponsible teaching method. We should be teaching to have an emergency fund as that is immediately accessible whereas your money with the IRS is not. Generally people who are irresponsible with there money who need the forced savings through the IRS won&#039;t go fund their emergency fund or pay off debt; they typically use it to go buy more stuff and continue living beyond their means. Last but not least, you&#039;re right that you may owe if you estimate wrong. However, you can simulate your return with any tax software that you use to already file your taxes. Let&#039;s assume that&#039;s even wrong just to take this deeper. As far as I know, there is no penalty for estimating wrong. You&#039;ll just owe what you should have owed to begin with.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href="#comment-7829" rel="nofollow">@Darwin</a>,</p><p>No basis? Even if we use present day money market funds of 1-2%, that&#8217;s still certainly better than 0%. Second, CD&#8217;s and money markets aren&#8217;t the only investment vehicle you should be investing in. How about your both IRA? The stock market since inception has an average of 12% annual growth rate. How about putting that extra money there? Compound interest is your friend. Also, your basis for giving the government a interest-free loan because of an individual being irresponsible is an irresponsible teaching method. We should be teaching to have an emergency fund as that is immediately accessible whereas your money with the IRS is not. Generally people who are irresponsible with there money who need the forced savings through the IRS won&#8217;t go fund their emergency fund or pay off debt; they typically use it to go buy more stuff and continue living beyond their means. Last but not least, you&#8217;re right that you may owe if you estimate wrong. However, you can simulate your return with any tax software that you use to already file your taxes. Let&#8217;s assume that&#8217;s even wrong just to take this deeper. As far as I know, there is no penalty for estimating wrong. You&#8217;ll just owe what you should have owed to begin with.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Darwin</title><link>http://www.darwinsfinance.com/tax-refund-estimate/#comment-7829</link> <dc:creator>Darwin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 01:49:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.darwinsfinance.com/?p=1978#comment-7829</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-7173&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Joshua&lt;/a&gt;, You give no basis for your disagreement with &quot;everything in my blog&quot;.  The yield on a 1 year CD is like 1%.  The net present value of that &quot;government loan&quot; is a few bucks.  Seriously?  Focus your efforts on more value-added efforts than saving a couple bucks from the government - when you may end up owing money come April if you don&#039;t estimate right.
See the forest through the trees.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href="#comment-7173" rel="nofollow">@Joshua</a>, You give no basis for your disagreement with &#8220;everything in my blog&#8221;.  The yield on a 1 year CD is like 1%.  The net present value of that &#8220;government loan&#8221; is a few bucks.  Seriously?  Focus your efforts on more value-added efforts than saving a couple bucks from the government &#8211; when you may end up owing money come April if you don&#8217;t estimate right.</p><p>See the forest through the trees.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joshua</title><link>http://www.darwinsfinance.com/tax-refund-estimate/#comment-7173</link> <dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 22:40:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.darwinsfinance.com/?p=1978#comment-7173</guid> <description>I disagree completely with everything in your blog. You&#039;re basically teaching financial irresponsibility. You&#039;re right that most Americans would simply spend, and that most don&#039;t have an emergency fund but we should instead be teaching Americans how to use their money properly instead of just forcing them to save in a bad investment vehicle. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree completely with everything in your blog. You&#8217;re basically teaching financial irresponsibility. You&#8217;re right that most Americans would simply spend, and that most don&#8217;t have an emergency fund but we should instead be teaching Americans how to use their money properly instead of just forcing them to save in a bad investment vehicle. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Money Hackers Carnival #108- Dare or Truth! &#171; Eliminate The Muda!</title><link>http://www.darwinsfinance.com/tax-refund-estimate/#comment-4877</link> <dc:creator>Money Hackers Carnival #108- Dare or Truth! &#171; Eliminate The Muda!</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:39:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.darwinsfinance.com/?p=1978#comment-4877</guid> <description>[...] Darwin&#8217;sFinance urges you to buck the trend with interest free loans to the government in 6 Reasons You Won&#8217;t Go To Hell If You&#8217;re Getting A Tax Refund This Year. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Darwin&#8217;sFinance urges you to buck the trend with interest free loans to the government in 6 Reasons You Won&#8217;t Go To Hell If You&#8217;re Getting A Tax Refund This Year. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Don't Mess With Taxes</title><link>http://www.darwinsfinance.com/tax-refund-estimate/#comment-4854</link> <dc:creator>Don't Mess With Taxes</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:36:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.darwinsfinance.com/?p=1978#comment-4854</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;Tax Carnival #67: A Pot of Tax Gold...&lt;/strong&gt;
St. Patrick&#039;s Day is Wednesday, but we start the week with a collection of tax bloggings that could be very valuable for many of us still working on our returns. Yes, the theme of our 67th Tax Carnival is A Pot of Tax Gold. These aren&#039;t your typical ...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Tax Carnival #67: A Pot of Tax Gold&#8230;</strong></p><p>St. Patrick&#8217;s Day is Wednesday, but we start the week with a collection of tax bloggings that could be very valuable for many of us still working on our returns. Yes, the theme of our 67th Tax Carnival is A Pot of Tax Gold. These aren&#8217;t your typical &#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Carnival of Personal Finance #148</title><link>http://www.darwinsfinance.com/tax-refund-estimate/#comment-4843</link> <dc:creator>Carnival of Personal Finance #148</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:04:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.darwinsfinance.com/?p=1978#comment-4843</guid> <description>[...] from Darwin&#8217;s Finance presents 6 Reasons You Won&#039;t Go to Finance Hell if You&#039;re Getting a Tax Refund This Year. I&#039;m not getting a refund, but I&#039;m glad I wouldn&#039;t be going to Finance Hell if I [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from Darwin&#8217;s Finance presents 6 Reasons You Won&#8217;t Go to Finance Hell if You&#8217;re Getting a Tax Refund This Year. I&#8217;m not getting a refund, but I&#8217;m glad I wouldn&#8217;t be going to Finance Hell if I [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Black Coffee: My Favorite Blogs, Money News &#38; Opinions #37</title><link>http://www.darwinsfinance.com/tax-refund-estimate/#comment-4834</link> <dc:creator>Black Coffee: My Favorite Blogs, Money News &#38; Opinions #37</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:34:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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