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		<title>By: Carnival of Financial Planning - Edition #95 - June 27, 2009 &#124; Good Financial Cents -Jeff Rose Certified Financial Planner and Investment Advisor, Carbondale, Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carnival of Financial Planning - Edition #95 - June 27, 2009 &#124; Good Financial Cents -Jeff Rose Certified Financial Planner and Investment Advisor, Carbondale, Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] presents Stockpicker Investing is Gambling Says Vanguard Icon posted at Darwin&#8217;s Finance, saying, &#8220;This article takes on Vanguard founder John [...]</description>
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		<title>By: scrilla gorilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>scrilla gorilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those people who do basically no research before investing, then yes, it basically is like gambling, because it&#039;s all random.  

For those who have done some research, are following a thesis, etc., then they are definitely placing a &quot;bet&quot; but only because they believe they have a clear edge.  They may end up being wrong (due to chance, stupidity, or both), but the outcome is not random.  Not gambling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those people who do basically no research before investing, then yes, it basically is like gambling, because it&#8217;s all random.  </p>
<p>For those who have done some research, are following a thesis, etc., then they are definitely placing a &#8220;bet&#8221; but only because they believe they have a clear edge.  They may end up being wrong (due to chance, stupidity, or both), but the outcome is not random.  Not gambling.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Castro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Castro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts - to put it mildly, I think John Bogle is an ass. Let&#039;s look at what index fund investing really entails:

&quot;Let&#039;s see,  I&#039;m an investor who plans to invest for 30 or 40 years. So I want to own shares in the best, the strongest, the most profitable and durable companies in the world. I plant to consistently add new money to my investments. That, coupled with the power of compounding returns, should grow my wealth astronomically over the long term.

&quot;But, just to be safe, I think I should also make sure I own all the average companies, too, the moderately profitable ones that just limp along year after year, And cyclicals. I better own those 100% of the time. And to be extra, extra safe, I better make sure I also own the crappiest companies, too. I don&#039;t care how debt-laden, unprofitable, cash-hemmoraging they are, I want to own them all just to be on the safe side.

&quot;Now, if I could just find the right investment vehicle that would give me all that. I know! I&#039;ll invest in a Vanguard index fund. Since the fees are so low, I&#039;m bound to be super rich in no time at all!&quot;

Bogle looked reasonably smart during the last great bull market (1982-1999), but buy and hold index fund investing has been disastrous since then.

I agree that trading is essentially gambling and that most &quot;investors&quot; are actually traders (e.g. investing in an actively managed mutual funds where the fund manager trades/gambles on your behalf). But true investing--researching, indentifying, and owning for the long term shares in great businesses--has always worked and continues to work today.

For me, Bogle&#039;s greatest flaw is his prejudice that most investors are too stupid to be able to identify a great, consistently profitable business and to be able to purchase shares when those shares are reasonably priced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts &#8211; to put it mildly, I think John Bogle is an ass. Let&#8217;s look at what index fund investing really entails:</p>
<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s see,  I&#8217;m an investor who plans to invest for 30 or 40 years. So I want to own shares in the best, the strongest, the most profitable and durable companies in the world. I plant to consistently add new money to my investments. That, coupled with the power of compounding returns, should grow my wealth astronomically over the long term.</p>
<p>&#8220;But, just to be safe, I think I should also make sure I own all the average companies, too, the moderately profitable ones that just limp along year after year, And cyclicals. I better own those 100% of the time. And to be extra, extra safe, I better make sure I also own the crappiest companies, too. I don&#8217;t care how debt-laden, unprofitable, cash-hemmoraging they are, I want to own them all just to be on the safe side.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now, if I could just find the right investment vehicle that would give me all that. I know! I&#8217;ll invest in a Vanguard index fund. Since the fees are so low, I&#8217;m bound to be super rich in no time at all!&#8221;</p>
<p>Bogle looked reasonably smart during the last great bull market (1982-1999), but buy and hold index fund investing has been disastrous since then.</p>
<p>I agree that trading is essentially gambling and that most &#8220;investors&#8221; are actually traders (e.g. investing in an actively managed mutual funds where the fund manager trades/gambles on your behalf). But true investing&#8211;researching, indentifying, and owning for the long term shares in great businesses&#8211;has always worked and continues to work today.</p>
<p>For me, Bogle&#8217;s greatest flaw is his prejudice that most investors are too stupid to be able to identify a great, consistently profitable business and to be able to purchase shares when those shares are reasonably priced.</p>
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